Thursday, July 14, 2005

On saving Indian families

I am very glad that my browser was giving me trouble when I first heard about this post, because, although my immediate reaction was to tell Sumanth-ji to do things to himself that no 'radical feminist' would want to, (and no gay man either - since they're firmly rooted in the feminine ethos - which is the only ethos worthy of mother nature), I have done a rethink.

Truly, these radical feminists are all crazy.

The only good thing these feminists do is to burn the bra. The bra is a western invention, and Indian women should never wear western clothes.
In the good Indian tradition, women only wear a single six-yard long piece of cloth. I am convinced that that, and only that, is the proper way to dress. And petticoats!! Such a terrible invasion of culture... the very word is angrezi; our colonial masters with their damn victorian morals made our women wear petticoats and blouses.


And of course, they don't want our laws to change. Now, you and I, Sumanth-ji... we want laws to change. If I had my way with the law, the first thing I'd do would be to remove women altogether from the scope of the criminal procedure code.
Because we all know that according to the great Manu - who had such wonderful ideas about marriage and firmly put to rest all nonsensical speculation about love being a justification for marriage - had said that 'Dhol, Ganwaar, Shudra , Pashu, Naari , Yeh sab Taadan ke Adhikaari'.

Now, do we say that it is crime to beat a drum? Does anyone go to jail for kicking a dog, or even a Dalit, for that matter? Why then should weak, old, sick people go to jail for setting a bride or two afire?

All these people who complain about torture and harassment and 'kitchen accidents'... what do they know about culture and tradition? In Indian families, wives set themselves afire, willingly! Why punish old sick people who're just trying to save them the indignity of being widowed first, and then burnt.

Old, sick, weak people shouldn't go to jail, ji. They should be set up on a pedestal and worshipped for masterminding the growth of the family's economy. Now, just as we close down a 'sick' factory, just as we shoot a lame horse, so it is with the bahu - when she isn't quite being the cash cow she was meant to be. Besides, you can get a woman for less than the price of a cow or a buffalo.

Now, you just try and kill a cow! THAT would be criminal in a proper Indian family. If only these radicals wouldn't distract the law and let it focus on meritorious issues like anti-cow-slaughter legislation...

And oh, that business about adulterous daughters-in-law, since the Imrana case is only a socially fashionable issue and not representative of the real filth in Indian society, let's take a look at the 'real' filth in society: divorce... (tauba-tauba).

Have you heard of a worse thing than two people actually going their separate ways, just because they cannot be happy?

I mean, have you ever heard of something as ridiculous as being happy in marriage? Whoever got married to be happy? Good Indian families are based on the firm foundation of duty. It is our duty to suck all the individual joy out of each other's bosoms; to lay our many burdens on each others' shoulders and hey, the more burdens there are, the more shoulders we need, right?
Besides, what possible cause could anyone have to want a divorce, in India? If a daughter-in-law is unhappy, she should do her bahu-like duty by allowing dear father-in-law to get adulterous with her (that being not filth, but merely a socially fashionable non-issue).
And brothers-in-law might be added to the list as well. Akhir vansh jo aage badhaana hai, nahin sumanth-ji?

If the husband is unhappy, of course, he should just leave the stupid bahu at her maika. No divorce needed, ji. Better still, he could utilize her dowry to go abroad. When he has had enough of pleasuring himself elsewhere, he could always return and demand his wife back.

In fact, what are we talking about? Divorce? Divorce does not exist! There is no such thing as divorce, as good old Manu told us.

Come, people, let us all take a pledge to save the 'Indian family'.

There is that little problem of choice - so many types of Indians and marriages and families... we'd have to decide who is the most 'Indian' and therefore deserving of the honour of being upheld as THE Indian family.

Let's sort this out right now -

Single-parent families are out, of course.
The Pandavas were not a proper family. Kunti (the mother) was not an Indian mother at all. And we really must stop this bullshit worship of Radha. Radha was a properly married woman. She should be punished for lusting after a younger boy, not worshipped, for Krishna's sake!!

And what is this nonsense about Atal-ji's 'adopted' family. He's a single man, so how can he have a family?

And, why do they keep referring to that Nehru-Gandhi family as a family at all - it never seems to have all the ingredients that Indian families are supposed to have - widows never 'head' families, and if they do, it becomes a single-parent family! Besides, it cannot be traced back to Nehru, because vansh toh putra se hi chalta hai, bhai! Pity, Nehru-ji didn't have sex-selection technology at his disposal in those days...

But, what does one do about the Tribes?
All these savages - they actually claim to have divorce rites. Ever heard of anything as un-Indian as that?! Hmmm, I guess we can tackle them by 'mainstreaming' them all - cut down the forests; 'change' laws, to prevent them from working in the forests, force them to come down to cities and then, of course, all those savage un-Indian practices will automatically get taken care of.

But what do we do about the Muslims?
Oh wait! I forgot, the Muslims don't count as 'Indian'. They're outsiders and either they'll get thrown out or will have to accept the 'Indian' way of family-building (minus the offensive section 498 A, of course... even minorities have the right to seek dowry, and grow old and sick, unmolested)

And also (since divorce does not exist and polygamy is outlawed) either Rama or Lakshman must be considered illegitimate - Dashrath couldn't be allowed three LEGAL wives, could he? Oh, he can? The mere mention (in 'Indian' texts) of Polygamy is enough, is it?
Aaah, and so is Polyandry (Draupadi-pratha) Indian, then... like, wow!!

You know, I'm liking the sound of this Indian family more and more - first, I get to have a swayamvara - so all the men who want me have to line up and get looked over. I'll check them out and set all sorts of impossible conditions for them to fulfil. Then, I pick one. Or five.
Depends on what's on offer.

I get to pick the brainiest, the brawniest, the most skilled, the sweetest and handsomest AND maybe twins, (just for variety). And I get to keep them all, and they have pay for me and fight wars for me and kill their family members, if they insult me... and they do this for ever and ever, because... divorce, you see, does not exist!


[Psst! What the hell were all you radical feminists thinking of, all this time?]

25 comments:

Anonymous said...

uh oh. angry Annie = frequent updates. here is my pledge - hail indian family.

R. said...

Interestingly it isn't morons like this who irritate me, this guy atleast speaks his mind and takes a stand. But its the 'modern' guys who insist on their wives quitting their jobs coz they earn more or gladly accept dowry (or atleast look away when their parents do).

Anispice said...

Oh God Annie...
terrible post to read in the morning... this moron's comments here on your post have set my blood boiling.

Can we like, just shoot down these guys... :) Anyways filth like this will not be missed.

But seriously, this Sumanth guy doesn't sound rational and sane...

Is he saying that since there are a percentage of false cases being filed under 498A, we should just remove it? And then what laws are the real victims to take recourse to, or should we just accept dowry burning as part of the Great Bhartiya Sanskriti that this moron is talking about? And while we are at it please note the hilarity... this guys strengthens his argument stating that Supreme court justices have said that 90% of these cases are false... the same guys who according to our moron are the ones who accept bribes and are hence not to be trusted.

Sumanthji you need to get your head examined.

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Janaki said...

Your last line, Mr Sumanth, should be applied to what you yourself are spouting..

Anonymous said...

Sub : Killing our Institution of Marriage – Terrorist Activity

With reference to the article In Pioneer dated 12/07/05 (below for your ready reference) in addition to:-

- DD News dated 11/07/05
- Total TV News dated 9/07/05
- Article in Hindustan ( Hindi ) dated 10/07/05
- Article in Jan Satha ( Hindi ) dated 10/07/05


Every where the killing of institution of marriage by misusing of S.IPC498A had been highlighted.

In the name of “Verbal abuse and Mental harassment” , to punish all innocent and sending our age old , seek mother , pregent sister , distant relative , hope you will not also tolerate .

Now your present proposed Domestic Violence bill again is going to do the same mistake like 498A – Family Killer, like punishment to one section in the name of “Verbal abuse and Mental harassment” and for another section giving a Whole Sale Free License, forget any punishment, there is no provision for a small warning.

Request to understand “Verbal abuse and Mental harassment”, both a husband and wife are equally capable, and if we really want to save the institution of marriage, we need a Domestic harmony Bill instead of Domestic Violence bill.

If this bill became ACT as it is, there will be huge single parenting system, crime against women will further increase, Blackmailing and extortion of money will touch the world record, and no way will we be able to save our Indian Family. Whole world will make us fun about our judicial system and enjoy the same.

As a result there will be two options:-

Your activity will be termed as terrorist Activity to kill our Indian Institution of marriage
Or
Generation of a New terrorist Group, as we Indian People love our mother and sister , to save guard them we sacrifice our life , we are not like western people , where age old , sick , parents go to age old home .

Hope the NCW will focus more towards the women Education, Self employment, 50 % representive in Parliament (not 30 %) and give equal justice to all irrespective of SEX, GENDER, Caste or religion.

Save Indian Family, as we cant not tolerated if any Daughter-in-LAW abuse our age old mother and sister. (WHO Report)

With high regards
Swarup Sarkar

CC : President of India - For your kind attention pleases to save Indian family.
: Prime Minister of India – For your kind attention pleases to save Indian family.
: LAW Minister - For your kind attention please to save Indian family.
: NRI Minister - For your kind attention please to save Indian family.
: News Paper Editors – For Honest and transparent article.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?
'Dowry law affecting marital harmony'

Pioneer News Service / New Delhi

The issue of marital harmony seems to be getting adversely affected
by the implementation of section 498A IPC. This was the point of
discussion at a seminar organised by the Parivarik Suraksha Sanstha
(PSS).

Expressing their concern over the misuse of this section were
chairman of All India Bar Association, Adish C Aggarwal, President of
New Delhi Bar association, SP Kaushal and Social and Human Rights
activist, Madhu Kishwar.

Putting across their point in this seminar, the speakers explained
how this law is being misused against innocents including elderly
parents, distant relatives and small children. Mr Aggarwal also noted
that distant relatives are falsely implicated under this section even
though they had never stayed with the complainant wife.

He further stressed the need for marriage registration along with the
list of exchanged gifts in order to avoid any dispute and false
allegation. Madhu Kishwar in her speech tried to showcase both sides
of the coin. She added that there was a need for quick disposal of
cases under Section 498A. She also mentioned that matrimonial
disputes must be decided in Family Courts, Counselling Centres, Lok
Adalats and not in criminal courts.
****************************************************************
Further More reference:-
Articles
Dowry Harassment of Men
Domestic Violence Statistics
Men Batter themselves to feed a family...
Sorting out the reasons couples turn violent
Dowry Harassment and Men
Detailed Suicide Statistics in India which shows that Men need help in Family Situations
What are your parent's, sisters's and your chances of getting 498aed ?
Most Feminists(Sadists) say "They do not care", Only a Few Feminists Speak up against Misuse of Dowry Laws.
Newspaper Reports (if you do not believe us, here are facts)
TIMESOFINDIA: Bollywood Godmother Nirupa Roy, brutally Slandered before her death with a Dowry Case by her Daughter-in-law.
THEHINDU: Parents Commit Suicide due to torture after Daughter-in-law files False Case.
HORRIBLE: THREE-year-old GIRL ended up in jail because of False Dowry Case !!
BBC: Domestic Violence against Men by Women is also equal in West.
TIMES OF INDIA: Battered Husbands
TIMES OF INDIA: In Bangalore Techies are at Receiving end of Harassment by Wives and in-laws
TIMES OF INDIA: Check Dowry Law Misuse by Women: High Court
TIMES OF INDIA: Domestic abuse Bill: Men deserve protection too
INDIAINFO: Dowry harassment of men!
EXPRESSINDIA: Battered husbands seek justice
STATESMAN: If woman shows a bit patience....
STATESMAN: Man Commits Suicide not being able to bear false case by his wife
STATESMAN: When Men are Victimised by Women
STATESMAN: Wife Kills Husband for not meeting her Dowry Demands
TRIBUEINDIA: Domestic Violence by Women Against Men in other parts of world
TRIBUNEINDIA: Only one out of six dowry complaints genuine
TELEGRAPH: Man Falsely accused by in-laws of Dowry Death of wife, jailed and separated from his child
I got my wife ‘SKODA’ car and she told me PODA (go), and Puts Dowry Case
REDIFF: Hope for Victimised Husbands
TRIBUNE INDIA: Dowry Act-scared parents disown sons
HINDUSTAN TIMES: Raped girl arrested on dowry torture charges
THE HINDU: Parents Kill themselves being Harassed by Daughter-in-law filing False Dowry Case
INIDIAN EXPRESS: Daughter elops, her father puts False Dowry Death Case on Her Husband for Money.
EXPRESSINDIA: False Dowry Cases Are Used to improve Crime against women statistics
EXPRESSINDIA: Delhi HC wants dowry offences to be bailable
TRIBUNEINDIA: Coming to rescue of harassed husbands
TIMES OF INDIA: Murder of a Techie, Fiancee held for Intel staffer's murder in Bangalore
TAIPEI TIMES: Even CHINESE know about abuse of India's anti-dowry laws
BBC: Even Chairperson of the National Commission for Women (NCW) acknowledges the misuse of dowry laws.
IRANDOKHT: Even IRANIANs know about False Dowry Cases in India.
TELEGRAPH: Marital Woes of Men in Orissa
TRIBUNEINDIA: Women mis(using) laws to get even?
IMDIVERSITY: Some Indian men living in the West have been falsely accused
TELEGRAPH: Do men also need special laws for protection?
TIMESOFINDIA: Gee! It’s harassed men’s turn to come crying
JAMAICAOBSERVER: Even People in JAMAICA Know how Indian Husbands are Harassed
STATESMEN ORISSA: Do women play a role in dowry deaths?
One more Man Commits Suicide after False Dowry Case and Torture.
NCMONLINE: Indian Husbands Fall Victim to Dowry-Immigration Fraud
MID-DAY: Man ends life over false dowry accusation
DAILYTIMES: Even Pakistanis know about False dowry cases in India.
REDIFF: Of harassed husbands and belligerent brides
NRIINTERNET: NRI Husbands From U.S. Fall Victim To Dowry-Immigration Fraud In India
TRIBUNEINDIA: In-Laws of the Son drive Father to Suicide.
TIMESOFINDIA: False dowry claims: Air hostess in trouble
Times of India: Parents are forcing Daughters to Divorce their Husbands for big Alimony.
EXPRESS INDIA: Misuse of IPC behind rise in Crime Against Women.
Times of India: Sham weddings in Punjab when go wrong become desertion cases.
TRIBUNE INDIA: Old women bitten by Daughter-in-law.
Haryana Chief Minister Hooda's son gets anticipatory bailk in 498a case. Is the case genuine ?
TELEGRAPH: Man Burns himself not being able to bear the torture by wife.
HindustanTimes: Husband in UP protests wife's atrocities.
Times of India: Newly Weds File for Divorce in 15 Days
Hindustan Times: Corrupt Wife Kills Army Colonel.
Tribune India: Court Declares terror CAW cells Illegal.
Tribune India: If Men Can be Aggressive, Women Can be Subversive.
APA.ORG: Does Data on Domestic Violence tell only one part of the story ?
Deccan Herald: Sub Inspector rescues Battered Husband in Bangalore
Deccan Herald: Consolation for Gentle Men in Distress.
World Health Organisation (WHO) Report: In India, Women Abuse Elders (in-laws) by False Dowry Cases.
Tribune India: Police told to be sensitive as many Familes Commit Suicide in False Dowry Cases.

R. said...

Sumanth, I apologise, I didn't know of your condition, hope you get the right treatment, coz I hear that gettingyourundiesinaknotitis can be very painful.

(Honestly I have no other response to your drivel)

Anonymous said...

let us put things in perspective .
we are trying to fight false cases filed under section 498A

we are against dowry.
your assumption that by supporting people who have been falsely implicated we are supporting dowry seekers is absolutely false

we people want social harmony

it is important to understand that many women in india and abroad have suffered for many years

some of them have chosen path of retribution rather than resolution

I beleive in equality and do not beleive that there should be separate laws or separate treatment for men and women on basis of gender

The Wizard of Odd said...

Again, I can only ask- Who is this Sumanth and more importantly, did he ever have a mother or was he just hatched...

No, really. As Griff says, Go Annie Go. Applauding hard here. Forwarding posts. Coming back to gaze in awe at the blood guts and gore.

No but seriously- what colour egg was it, you think? Sort of chalky I feel, with a sad blue undertone.

M. said...

@ annie

Way to go..:)

@sumanth
I saw the Save the indian family site and the the say no to feminism page...there is one sentence that confuses me in particular:
A lot of fathers commit suicide or die indirectly in struggling to arrange dowry for their daughters. They do not even come into statistics.

I would like to meet these "feminists" who force their fathers to arrange for a dowry and torture the poor man to death....oh may be i have got it wrong....are you perhaps talking about the "feminist" mother-in-law who is asking for the dowry and hence killing the poor man.

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Mukta Raut said...

Hi Sumanth,

I have a couple of lawyer friends who deal with several cases pertaining to sec.498A. They too tell me that several of the cases that come to him are false. Many women are instigated to file a complaint under this section because it makes the divorce case stronger for the woman.

Do I agree or disagree with you? Well, bogus cases are dangerous. Sure, you need to guard against that. But you need to make the legislation and law-making authorities stronger and more foolproof. Because let's face it - people do behave reprehensibly with women. They just do. And they need to be punished.

And if your contention is that the real victims do not get respite, then you don't change the law, you change the framework in which it works. Do you mean to say that the real victims do not get their say because the bogus victims are in court?

And since we are talking about inadequate legal provisions that can be manipulated, please see sec. 375 of the IPC as well.

My position = No to bogus cases...but yes to sec. 498A.

Swarup said...

Soumnath , the people are doing the terrorist activity in the name of women well fare . As per them , only daughter in law are women , mother , sister , daughter are not a women .
We need to understand such greedy , money minded , dishonest activity by some daughter in law ( not all ) . They dont want to work , they dont have any love or respect to others , they want to enjoy the life , let the money comes from father , brother or husband .
Crime is crime , the punishment should be irrespective of SEX ,Gender ,caste and religion .

We have clean a lot of so called pro-women people , actually they are anti-women . Women are the main culprit to spoil another women .

498A is a blander , and today or tomorrow the same will be changed , but how you will change such greedy ,dirty minded daughter in law ... i think some of them are here also .
regards
swarup
http://pariwariksuraksha.blogspot.com/

1conoclast said...

Hey!
Why don't you delete all comments posted by this joker Sumanth? Anyway the grammar therein is horribly wrong. Very undeserving comments to be seen here! ;-)

Anonymous said...

Yes dear we are winning becuase we have truth on our side . Currently the feminists have taken a very harsh stand of so what if "men and elders suffer" Well it will not happen long before account of the death of these decent and innocent men and elders are asked for.

Swarup said...

"Is there any Laxman to support Sita or only Ravan are there to support Surpanakhas??"

Few days back , I receive a coment in my blog "498A: Made for Sita but Surpanakhas are Encashing!!!! " , and reproduce the same here for all of your reference.

One question come to my mind :-

"Is there any Laxman to Support Sita or only Ravan are there to support Surpanakhas??"

Recently Supreme Court Judgement Says that the Way 498A ( anti dowry law ) had been misused and innocent people ( Age old parents , Pregent sister , Small Childern along with husband ) had been harrased to earn Money by Black Mailling , this should be term as " Legal Terrorism ".

Let think you want to be A Ravan or A Laxman ??

When this Terrorist Activity will stop in the name of Women Well Fare ??

As per them the women means only Daughter -in -LAW , our Mother ,Sister are not a women !!! They deserve to go to jail .

Save Indian Family - Save " Institution of Marriage " and Immediately Stop this terrorist activity .

Jinesh Zaveri said...

498A: Made for Sita but Surpanakhas are encashing!!

The question is does a real Sita use 498A; and how will we stop surpanakha misusing it?

And is the purpose of such law really served in reality ?
Let us take 4 broad combinations to a Marriage and applications of 498A.
In today’s modern world if :-

1. The boy is like Ram and the girl is like Sita
2. The boy is like Rakshasha and the Girl is likeSurpanakha
3. The boy is like Rakshasha and the Girl is like Sita
4. The boy is like Ram and the girl is like Surpanakha

Case 1:
The boy is like Ram and the girl is like Sita:The questions of 498A does not arise .

Case 2:
The boy is like Rakshasha and the Girl is like Surpanakha:They fight it out among themselves if things are wrong or it is ideal match on the other extreme side.

Case 3:
The boy is like Rakshasha and the Girl is likeSita:Well ideally this is the case where 498A is fairly applicable and the guy is deserving of it. But, Sita by virtue of her characteristic will NOT AND DOES NOT implicate 498A on the Husband and her family. (Like of the cases seen in the society around us, the wife is firm not to cause harm to anyone, thus 498A is not utilized for the reason it should be) Thus the purpose of thevery foundation of the law for whom it is dedicated is not fulfilled.

Case 4:
The boy is like Ram and the girl is like Surpanakha:

Well well well this is what is happening everywhere,where 498A benefits the Surpanakhas of our society and Rams and his family are reduced to puppets. 498A is misused to the fullest of its capacity and the real motive behind the law it is lost to protect the “ABLANARI”.

Its is highly misused by the nuisance value creators of the society, committing a mockery of the judicial system, by misleading and fooling the entire society including the very law.This needs to be stopped, as the real purpose is not met and the crooks are at work, making money and going scott free where as Rams and his family members are in jail.

“When the Statistics reveal that a drastic majority of the cases are framed falsely for earn money , why should we allow such laws that encourage injustice and dishonest way to earn money?”

We need a changein the current scenario.

Inqulab Zindabad.

Aishwarya said...

annie- for your further edification:

http://bluelullaby.blogspot.com/2005/07/craptheyre-onto-us.html

which led to

http://roswitha.blogspot.com/2005/07/we-already-have-problems-with.html

IndianHusbands said...

also read
http://indianhusbands.blogspot.com/2005/09/but-how-hindu-was-that-marriage.html

Gokul Padoor said...

u all have so much time to argue about what u can't even comprehend and which u don't have the slightest intention to understand. Kudos. Like they say in Malayalam "the baby who doesn't understand what is said, will understand when it experiences"

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