tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9939966.post112998726751358234..comments2024-03-28T14:16:51.745+05:30Comments on Known Turf: Genesis of a drawstrung nationAnnie Zaidihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08687223598027157611noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9939966.post-1130319397669005312005-10-26T15:06:00.000+05:302005-10-26T15:06:00.000+05:30david, apologies for source of minor quibble. and ...david, apologies for source of minor quibble. and i would love to see both the DVDs you mention. Kali Salwar, i assume, is based on Manto's short story of the same title? <BR/>thanks, anangbahi, aditya, dopppsy, pawan, km, zoro...<BR/>aishwarya, i know. i suppose its about as anything else. <BR/>charu, interesting, isn't it? how for all its modernity, shalwaars are so acceptable, and sarees Annie Zaidihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08687223598027157611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9939966.post-1130290275443366392005-10-26T07:01:00.000+05:302005-10-26T07:01:00.000+05:30Qameez i grant, but shalwaar? That's absurd! I gre...Qameez i grant, but shalwaar? That's absurd! I grew up in the heart of salwar land (wherever that might be), and it IS pronounced salwar there. A salwar is a salwar is a salwar (is a salwar)! <BR/><BR/>I know I am getting my knickers in a twist on this, I refuse to fall for this unfortunate shibboleth propaganda. Just having a lisp does not give people the right to pronounce judgement over the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9939966.post-1130253213585837022005-10-25T20:43:00.000+05:302005-10-25T20:43:00.000+05:30Phew! I'm giddy from all that time-travel :) Great...Phew! I'm giddy from all that time-travel :) <BR/><BR/>Great post. <BR/><BR/>Krishnakmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040339235134145847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9939966.post-1130233541254968232005-10-25T15:15:00.000+05:302005-10-25T15:15:00.000+05:30Tamil!!! that's the funniest I have ever heard.. l...Tamil!!! that's the funniest I have ever heard.. lungi yes, but salwaar - ABSOLUTELY NO!<BR/><BR/>Punjabiness..has got everything to do with afghani or pathani cultures.. they all were the same I suppose, the countries divided much later..Twilight Fairyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04913650906347791461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9939966.post-1130174021179890842005-10-24T22:43:00.000+05:302005-10-24T22:43:00.000+05:30BTW forgot to add that the TITLE reminded me of on...BTW forgot to add that the TITLE reminded me of one words "NADA" *I cannae remember the name of the movie but it was some silly one starring ANIL KAPOOR and this was an oft repeated word in that movie..*<BR/>cheers<BR/>zThe Wandering Hermithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10213230884932741170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9939966.post-1130170789909715692005-10-24T21:49:00.000+05:302005-10-24T21:49:00.000+05:30that was well said indeedy... Bajrang Dal.. oh how...that was well said indeedy... Bajrang Dal.. oh how I hate it... because that Archarya Dharmesh happens to be a Chacha... and knowing the corrupt effer no wonder the funda's of whatever they spew out is kinda skewed towards absurdity... hate it and all those phony prophets of hinduvta....<BR/><BR/>But I enjoyed this look back through the mists of time and history... loved it actually.<BR/>cheers<The Wandering Hermithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10213230884932741170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9939966.post-1130156439191787322005-10-24T17:50:00.000+05:302005-10-24T17:50:00.000+05:30daily unusual, glad to have been source of much me...daily unusual, glad to have been source of much merriment. <BR/>this comes out of interacting with people in my job as a researcher - always, always, when asked to describe a "modern" woman - salwar kameez is mentioned in that context.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9939966.post-1130142077724209912005-10-24T13:51:00.000+05:302005-10-24T13:51:00.000+05:30Lol at Charu's comment. 'A salwar-kameez' is a mod...Lol at Charu's comment. 'A salwar-kameez' is a modern thing. ROFL. Bad one.Subramaniam Avinashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07854755090851944419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9939966.post-1130133729594341272005-10-24T11:32:00.000+05:302005-10-24T11:32:00.000+05:30very very interesting. I had asked the same questi...very very interesting. I had asked the same question on nittewa's post - since when is the s(h?)alwar kameez a tamil 'costume'? in fact, in most parts of Tamilnadu inlcuding Madras, it is known as a totally Northie thing - even referred to as "modern dress". and yes, non threatening and as cover-uppy as possible :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9939966.post-1130069740454449712005-10-23T17:45:00.000+05:302005-10-23T17:45:00.000+05:30One of your best posts ever, Annie. (And I am just...One of your best posts ever, Annie. <BR/>(And I am just not returning a compliment:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9939966.post-1130026203637617702005-10-23T05:40:00.000+05:302005-10-23T05:40:00.000+05:30Does it matter where it actually comes from? Haven...Does it matter where it actually comes from? Haven't we seen how good humans are at co-opting history to suit their own limited ends? Rather long-winded trip down mammary lane. Would have made for an excellent newspaper article. Love the blog, and your bloughts. Will be back. Warm regards, Doppps.Subramaniam Avinashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07854755090851944419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9939966.post-1130015493644174862005-10-23T02:41:00.000+05:302005-10-23T02:41:00.000+05:30A wonderful post indeed.People refer to it as 'pun...A wonderful post indeed.<BR/><BR/>People refer to it as 'punjabi' here in Pune as well, maybe because 'kameez' is usually taken to mean shirt. And this adjective is usually used without a noun, meaning no 'punjabi suit'. 'Salwar' for men is catching up these days, because pyjama is supposed to sound rather pedestrian. And for men it's salwar-kurta here.Aditya Bidikarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17799184995636004373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9939966.post-1130003559176606662005-10-22T23:22:00.000+05:302005-10-22T23:22:00.000+05:30I'm not sure if you know this, and if this is an a...I'm not sure if you know this, and if this is an all-India or purely Tamil thing, but a lot of my older relatives refer to the salwar-kameez as the 'punjabi'.Aishwaryahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12871059152281065272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9939966.post-1130001026757091502005-10-22T22:40:00.000+05:302005-10-22T22:40:00.000+05:30One of the best posts I've ever read on the intern...One of the best posts I've ever read on the internet. This definitely has something to do with the "historicity" of the salwar kameez, with everyone claiming it as their own tradition so they can proclaim themselves cultural guardians of the Salwar Kameez and exlcude races/people they don't like.Ananghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13093712350047601404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9939966.post-1129998336230560942005-10-22T21:55:00.000+05:302005-10-22T21:55:00.000+05:30ps:too, in the 2nd Chattai link, one notes Sivakam...ps:<BR/>too, in the 2nd Chattai link, one notes Sivakami's additional poem (further down in the thread):<BR/><A HREF="http://www.ryze.com/postdisplay.php?confid=1199&messageid=1360863" REL="nofollow">REMEMBERING MY FIRST SMOCKED –CHEMISE</A>.<BR/>Of course now I'm footnoting my parenthetical note.david raphael israelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16621521896693000470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9939966.post-1129998093317649972005-10-22T21:51:00.000+05:302005-10-22T21:51:00.000+05:30oops--I messed up the link for Mani Kaul's film.Al...oops--<BR/>I messed up the link for <A HREF="http://www.sawnet.org/cinema/reviews.php?Naukar+ki+Kameez+(The+Servant's+Shirt)" REL="nofollow">Mani Kaul's film</A>.<BR/><BR/>Also, Sivakami had I guess double posted the Chattai poem. (<A HREF="http://www.ryze.com/posttopic.php?topicid=555226&confid=1199" REL="nofollow">This thread</A> was the one that included my blabbing & questions.)david raphael israelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16621521896693000470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9939966.post-1129997554999018452005-10-22T21:42:00.000+05:302005-10-22T21:42:00.000+05:30Annie --delightful historical medidation.I think s...Annie --<BR/>delightful historical medidation.<BR/>I think some of your flash-backs & forwards may be a bit chronologically incorrect(?) -- only that if you jump back 20 years, then up 15, then up another 5, that should take you to the present, no? In which case, you should now be a college student. [Minor quibble, that.]<BR/>Talk of shalwaar & kameez recollects titles of two films (both of david raphael israelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16621521896693000470noreply@blogger.com