Thursday, July 14, 2005

On saving Indian families

I am very glad that my browser was giving me trouble when I first heard about this post, because, although my immediate reaction was to tell Sumanth-ji to do things to himself that no 'radical feminist' would want to, (and no gay man either - since they're firmly rooted in the feminine ethos - which is the only ethos worthy of mother nature), I have done a rethink.

Truly, these radical feminists are all crazy.

The only good thing these feminists do is to burn the bra. The bra is a western invention, and Indian women should never wear western clothes.
In the good Indian tradition, women only wear a single six-yard long piece of cloth. I am convinced that that, and only that, is the proper way to dress. And petticoats!! Such a terrible invasion of culture... the very word is angrezi; our colonial masters with their damn victorian morals made our women wear petticoats and blouses.


And of course, they don't want our laws to change. Now, you and I, Sumanth-ji... we want laws to change. If I had my way with the law, the first thing I'd do would be to remove women altogether from the scope of the criminal procedure code.
Because we all know that according to the great Manu - who had such wonderful ideas about marriage and firmly put to rest all nonsensical speculation about love being a justification for marriage - had said that 'Dhol, Ganwaar, Shudra , Pashu, Naari , Yeh sab Taadan ke Adhikaari'.

Now, do we say that it is crime to beat a drum? Does anyone go to jail for kicking a dog, or even a Dalit, for that matter? Why then should weak, old, sick people go to jail for setting a bride or two afire?

All these people who complain about torture and harassment and 'kitchen accidents'... what do they know about culture and tradition? In Indian families, wives set themselves afire, willingly! Why punish old sick people who're just trying to save them the indignity of being widowed first, and then burnt.

Old, sick, weak people shouldn't go to jail, ji. They should be set up on a pedestal and worshipped for masterminding the growth of the family's economy. Now, just as we close down a 'sick' factory, just as we shoot a lame horse, so it is with the bahu - when she isn't quite being the cash cow she was meant to be. Besides, you can get a woman for less than the price of a cow or a buffalo.

Now, you just try and kill a cow! THAT would be criminal in a proper Indian family. If only these radicals wouldn't distract the law and let it focus on meritorious issues like anti-cow-slaughter legislation...

And oh, that business about adulterous daughters-in-law, since the Imrana case is only a socially fashionable issue and not representative of the real filth in Indian society, let's take a look at the 'real' filth in society: divorce... (tauba-tauba).

Have you heard of a worse thing than two people actually going their separate ways, just because they cannot be happy?

I mean, have you ever heard of something as ridiculous as being happy in marriage? Whoever got married to be happy? Good Indian families are based on the firm foundation of duty. It is our duty to suck all the individual joy out of each other's bosoms; to lay our many burdens on each others' shoulders and hey, the more burdens there are, the more shoulders we need, right?
Besides, what possible cause could anyone have to want a divorce, in India? If a daughter-in-law is unhappy, she should do her bahu-like duty by allowing dear father-in-law to get adulterous with her (that being not filth, but merely a socially fashionable non-issue).
And brothers-in-law might be added to the list as well. Akhir vansh jo aage badhaana hai, nahin sumanth-ji?

If the husband is unhappy, of course, he should just leave the stupid bahu at her maika. No divorce needed, ji. Better still, he could utilize her dowry to go abroad. When he has had enough of pleasuring himself elsewhere, he could always return and demand his wife back.

In fact, what are we talking about? Divorce? Divorce does not exist! There is no such thing as divorce, as good old Manu told us.

Come, people, let us all take a pledge to save the 'Indian family'.

There is that little problem of choice - so many types of Indians and marriages and families... we'd have to decide who is the most 'Indian' and therefore deserving of the honour of being upheld as THE Indian family.

Let's sort this out right now -

Single-parent families are out, of course.
The Pandavas were not a proper family. Kunti (the mother) was not an Indian mother at all. And we really must stop this bullshit worship of Radha. Radha was a properly married woman. She should be punished for lusting after a younger boy, not worshipped, for Krishna's sake!!

And what is this nonsense about Atal-ji's 'adopted' family. He's a single man, so how can he have a family?

And, why do they keep referring to that Nehru-Gandhi family as a family at all - it never seems to have all the ingredients that Indian families are supposed to have - widows never 'head' families, and if they do, it becomes a single-parent family! Besides, it cannot be traced back to Nehru, because vansh toh putra se hi chalta hai, bhai! Pity, Nehru-ji didn't have sex-selection technology at his disposal in those days...

But, what does one do about the Tribes?
All these savages - they actually claim to have divorce rites. Ever heard of anything as un-Indian as that?! Hmmm, I guess we can tackle them by 'mainstreaming' them all - cut down the forests; 'change' laws, to prevent them from working in the forests, force them to come down to cities and then, of course, all those savage un-Indian practices will automatically get taken care of.

But what do we do about the Muslims?
Oh wait! I forgot, the Muslims don't count as 'Indian'. They're outsiders and either they'll get thrown out or will have to accept the 'Indian' way of family-building (minus the offensive section 498 A, of course... even minorities have the right to seek dowry, and grow old and sick, unmolested)

And also (since divorce does not exist and polygamy is outlawed) either Rama or Lakshman must be considered illegitimate - Dashrath couldn't be allowed three LEGAL wives, could he? Oh, he can? The mere mention (in 'Indian' texts) of Polygamy is enough, is it?
Aaah, and so is Polyandry (Draupadi-pratha) Indian, then... like, wow!!

You know, I'm liking the sound of this Indian family more and more - first, I get to have a swayamvara - so all the men who want me have to line up and get looked over. I'll check them out and set all sorts of impossible conditions for them to fulfil. Then, I pick one. Or five.
Depends on what's on offer.

I get to pick the brainiest, the brawniest, the most skilled, the sweetest and handsomest AND maybe twins, (just for variety). And I get to keep them all, and they have pay for me and fight wars for me and kill their family members, if they insult me... and they do this for ever and ever, because... divorce, you see, does not exist!


[Psst! What the hell were all you radical feminists thinking of, all this time?]

30 comments:

charu said...

uh oh. angry Annie = frequent updates. here is my pledge - hail indian family.

Rabin said...

Interestingly it isn't morons like this who irritate me, this guy atleast speaks his mind and takes a stand. But its the 'modern' guys who insist on their wives quitting their jobs coz they earn more or gladly accept dowry (or atleast look away when their parents do).

Sumanth said...

Hello moRon,

Hope, your own parents get jailed one day under false complaint under section 498a and then you will come running to us, begging. Do not worry, your wife need not file it on you. Your brother's wife, sister's husband's brother's wife can also file it on you. When you, your wife, children, and old and sick parents spend time in jail for "being equity oriented" and NOT TAKING DOWRY, then you will come running to us (for help).

In a country where one can get a warrent on president of India issued with a bribe, only morons like you will say the legal system is running great.

Want to see people like you begging us for help saying, "We never knew this all, please help" ? Join yahoogroup saveindianfamily and you will find the reality.

90% of of section 498a cases are false. I am not saying this. Supreme court judges are saying this. Real victims do not get to police station in the first place.

Why the hell the these women do not marry down ? Working and educated women can marry men who earn less or unemployed, have less education, are younger by 5 years (as women will live 5 years more than men is another 30 years)? What do you say about it?

Sumanth said...

Annie,

Well, Dasaratha was killed by treacherous Kaikeyi and manthara. The first wife of King Santanu in Mahabharata, aborted 11 babies and then left him to take care of the last son. The father of the second wife tortured King Santanu.

If you quote mythology, both Dasaratha and Santanu were great patriarchs. Then, how the hell, so called weak women could torture and kill them ?

We are NOT against divorce. We are against "conflict divorce" which carry on for 4 to 5 years and ruin lives for everybody involved (both sides). Today, media only talks about Divorce by Mutual Consent. But, most divorces are conflict divorces where children are used as pawns by both parties.

Come down to reality and visit family courts where children meet parents with chained criminals being dragged in the background. The family courts and criminals courts are often located in same buildings in urban India.

Sumanth said...

The suicides last year by men and women are 68000 and 40000 respectively.

Suicide rate of Indian men increases by 50% after marriage where as for women it remains the same before and after marriage.

Today, urban wives demand the in-laws not to visit their house and the husband not to go to his parent's house. If he does not comply, they threaten about false cases on 498a under which one will get arrested immediately without any verification of truth if the complaint is false or true. We have one thousand such bogus cases in our database. We are in the process of scanning them and putting them in the website.

Anispice said...

Oh God Annie...
terrible post to read in the morning... this moron's comments here on your post have set my blood boiling.

Can we like, just shoot down these guys... :) Anyways filth like this will not be missed.

But seriously, this Sumanth guy doesn't sound rational and sane...

Is he saying that since there are a percentage of false cases being filed under 498A, we should just remove it? And then what laws are the real victims to take recourse to, or should we just accept dowry burning as part of the Great Bhartiya Sanskriti that this moron is talking about? And while we are at it please note the hilarity... this guys strengthens his argument stating that Supreme court justices have said that 90% of these cases are false... the same guys who according to our moron are the ones who accept bribes and are hence not to be trusted.

Sumanthji you need to get your head examined.

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Sumanth said...

Where the hell we said "Remove the Law "Section 498a" ?

We want punishment (at least fine) for people who file utterly bogus cases.

A typical section 498a case goes for 5 to 6 years. Many women file these cases accidentally as their lawyers encourage them. Once they file it, the husband refuses to give divorce to the wife. After 5 to 6 years, the husband and his family get acquited and the woman gets divorce in 7th year. In most cases, the couple have children.

Go to a court, you will find wives and their family pleading to get back to the house of husband after filing section 498a. After spending time in jail, nobody gets ready to take them back.

Justice Malimath was a member of national human rights commission and he was chief justice of Karnataka and Kerala High courts. He was the head of Indian Criminal Law Reforms Committee. He gave details about large scale misuse of the laws section 498a and wanted to make it bailable and compoundable.

BTW, Haryana chief Minister Hooda, his daughter, son and wife are facing a Section 498a case. Why Media and others are not shouting for removal of Hooda if it is a genuine case ? Because, if they highlight it, people in streets will know the entire scam of 498a where real victims do not get justice. Then, every man will marry with Pre-Nuptial agreements following great western traditions.

Hooda's daughter-in-law even went to Sonia Gandhi to plead. Why the great Sonia Gandhi is allowing Hooda to remain in the seat of Chief Minister of Haryana if he and his son subjected daughter-in-law to cruelty ? Because, it is a false case and there is no fine/punishment for filing a false section 498a case.

Please get all details about Section 498a, its misuse and then debate.

Moderate Feminists readily acknowledge its misuse. AIDWA wants it the way it is. Human Right Mafia wants it the way it is.

In one occasion a 3-year old girl was put in Delhi Tihar Jail. Can a 3-old girl harass a 25 year old woman ? Go and support jailing of 3-year old girl childs in Tihar jail and rant about girl-child in your blogs.
Read Feminist Atrocities against Women.

It is said, little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

jaygee said...

Your last line, Mr Sumanth, should be applied to what you yourself are spouting..

Anonymous said...

Sub : Killing our Institution of Marriage – Terrorist Activity

With reference to the article In Pioneer dated 12/07/05 (below for your ready reference) in addition to:-

- DD News dated 11/07/05
- Total TV News dated 9/07/05
- Article in Hindustan ( Hindi ) dated 10/07/05
- Article in Jan Satha ( Hindi ) dated 10/07/05


Every where the killing of institution of marriage by misusing of S.IPC498A had been highlighted.

In the name of “Verbal abuse and Mental harassment” , to punish all innocent and sending our age old , seek mother , pregent sister , distant relative , hope you will not also tolerate .

Now your present proposed Domestic Violence bill again is going to do the same mistake like 498A – Family Killer, like punishment to one section in the name of “Verbal abuse and Mental harassment” and for another section giving a Whole Sale Free License, forget any punishment, there is no provision for a small warning.

Request to understand “Verbal abuse and Mental harassment”, both a husband and wife are equally capable, and if we really want to save the institution of marriage, we need a Domestic harmony Bill instead of Domestic Violence bill.

If this bill became ACT as it is, there will be huge single parenting system, crime against women will further increase, Blackmailing and extortion of money will touch the world record, and no way will we be able to save our Indian Family. Whole world will make us fun about our judicial system and enjoy the same.

As a result there will be two options:-

Your activity will be termed as terrorist Activity to kill our Indian Institution of marriage
Or
Generation of a New terrorist Group, as we Indian People love our mother and sister , to save guard them we sacrifice our life , we are not like western people , where age old , sick , parents go to age old home .

Hope the NCW will focus more towards the women Education, Self employment, 50 % representive in Parliament (not 30 %) and give equal justice to all irrespective of SEX, GENDER, Caste or religion.

Save Indian Family, as we cant not tolerated if any Daughter-in-LAW abuse our age old mother and sister. (WHO Report)

With high regards
Swarup Sarkar

CC : President of India - For your kind attention pleases to save Indian family.
: Prime Minister of India – For your kind attention pleases to save Indian family.
: LAW Minister - For your kind attention please to save Indian family.
: NRI Minister - For your kind attention please to save Indian family.
: News Paper Editors – For Honest and transparent article.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?
'Dowry law affecting marital harmony'

Pioneer News Service / New Delhi

The issue of marital harmony seems to be getting adversely affected
by the implementation of section 498A IPC. This was the point of
discussion at a seminar organised by the Parivarik Suraksha Sanstha
(PSS).

Expressing their concern over the misuse of this section were
chairman of All India Bar Association, Adish C Aggarwal, President of
New Delhi Bar association, SP Kaushal and Social and Human Rights
activist, Madhu Kishwar.

Putting across their point in this seminar, the speakers explained
how this law is being misused against innocents including elderly
parents, distant relatives and small children. Mr Aggarwal also noted
that distant relatives are falsely implicated under this section even
though they had never stayed with the complainant wife.

He further stressed the need for marriage registration along with the
list of exchanged gifts in order to avoid any dispute and false
allegation. Madhu Kishwar in her speech tried to showcase both sides
of the coin. She added that there was a need for quick disposal of
cases under Section 498A. She also mentioned that matrimonial
disputes must be decided in Family Courts, Counselling Centres, Lok
Adalats and not in criminal courts.
****************************************************************
Further More reference:-
Articles
Dowry Harassment of Men
Domestic Violence Statistics
Men Batter themselves to feed a family...
Sorting out the reasons couples turn violent
Dowry Harassment and Men
Detailed Suicide Statistics in India which shows that Men need help in Family Situations
What are your parent's, sisters's and your chances of getting 498aed ?
Most Feminists(Sadists) say "They do not care", Only a Few Feminists Speak up against Misuse of Dowry Laws.
Newspaper Reports (if you do not believe us, here are facts)
TIMESOFINDIA: Bollywood Godmother Nirupa Roy, brutally Slandered before her death with a Dowry Case by her Daughter-in-law.
THEHINDU: Parents Commit Suicide due to torture after Daughter-in-law files False Case.
HORRIBLE: THREE-year-old GIRL ended up in jail because of False Dowry Case !!
BBC: Domestic Violence against Men by Women is also equal in West.
TIMES OF INDIA: Battered Husbands
TIMES OF INDIA: In Bangalore Techies are at Receiving end of Harassment by Wives and in-laws
TIMES OF INDIA: Check Dowry Law Misuse by Women: High Court
TIMES OF INDIA: Domestic abuse Bill: Men deserve protection too
INDIAINFO: Dowry harassment of men!
EXPRESSINDIA: Battered husbands seek justice
STATESMAN: If woman shows a bit patience....
STATESMAN: Man Commits Suicide not being able to bear false case by his wife
STATESMAN: When Men are Victimised by Women
STATESMAN: Wife Kills Husband for not meeting her Dowry Demands
TRIBUEINDIA: Domestic Violence by Women Against Men in other parts of world
TRIBUNEINDIA: Only one out of six dowry complaints genuine
TELEGRAPH: Man Falsely accused by in-laws of Dowry Death of wife, jailed and separated from his child
I got my wife ‘SKODA’ car and she told me PODA (go), and Puts Dowry Case
REDIFF: Hope for Victimised Husbands
TRIBUNE INDIA: Dowry Act-scared parents disown sons
HINDUSTAN TIMES: Raped girl arrested on dowry torture charges
THE HINDU: Parents Kill themselves being Harassed by Daughter-in-law filing False Dowry Case
INIDIAN EXPRESS: Daughter elops, her father puts False Dowry Death Case on Her Husband for Money.
EXPRESSINDIA: False Dowry Cases Are Used to improve Crime against women statistics
EXPRESSINDIA: Delhi HC wants dowry offences to be bailable
TRIBUNEINDIA: Coming to rescue of harassed husbands
TIMES OF INDIA: Murder of a Techie, Fiancee held for Intel staffer's murder in Bangalore
TAIPEI TIMES: Even CHINESE know about abuse of India's anti-dowry laws
BBC: Even Chairperson of the National Commission for Women (NCW) acknowledges the misuse of dowry laws.
IRANDOKHT: Even IRANIANs know about False Dowry Cases in India.
TELEGRAPH: Marital Woes of Men in Orissa
TRIBUNEINDIA: Women mis(using) laws to get even?
IMDIVERSITY: Some Indian men living in the West have been falsely accused
TELEGRAPH: Do men also need special laws for protection?
TIMESOFINDIA: Gee! It’s harassed men’s turn to come crying
JAMAICAOBSERVER: Even People in JAMAICA Know how Indian Husbands are Harassed
STATESMEN ORISSA: Do women play a role in dowry deaths?
One more Man Commits Suicide after False Dowry Case and Torture.
NCMONLINE: Indian Husbands Fall Victim to Dowry-Immigration Fraud
MID-DAY: Man ends life over false dowry accusation
DAILYTIMES: Even Pakistanis know about False dowry cases in India.
REDIFF: Of harassed husbands and belligerent brides
NRIINTERNET: NRI Husbands From U.S. Fall Victim To Dowry-Immigration Fraud In India
TRIBUNEINDIA: In-Laws of the Son drive Father to Suicide.
TIMESOFINDIA: False dowry claims: Air hostess in trouble
Times of India: Parents are forcing Daughters to Divorce their Husbands for big Alimony.
EXPRESS INDIA: Misuse of IPC behind rise in Crime Against Women.
Times of India: Sham weddings in Punjab when go wrong become desertion cases.
TRIBUNE INDIA: Old women bitten by Daughter-in-law.
Haryana Chief Minister Hooda's son gets anticipatory bailk in 498a case. Is the case genuine ?
TELEGRAPH: Man Burns himself not being able to bear the torture by wife.
HindustanTimes: Husband in UP protests wife's atrocities.
Times of India: Newly Weds File for Divorce in 15 Days
Hindustan Times: Corrupt Wife Kills Army Colonel.
Tribune India: Court Declares terror CAW cells Illegal.
Tribune India: If Men Can be Aggressive, Women Can be Subversive.
APA.ORG: Does Data on Domestic Violence tell only one part of the story ?
Deccan Herald: Sub Inspector rescues Battered Husband in Bangalore
Deccan Herald: Consolation for Gentle Men in Distress.
World Health Organisation (WHO) Report: In India, Women Abuse Elders (in-laws) by False Dowry Cases.
Tribune India: Police told to be sensitive as many Familes Commit Suicide in False Dowry Cases.

Rabin said...

Sumanth, I apologise, I didn't know of your condition, hope you get the right treatment, coz I hear that gettingyourundiesinaknotitis can be very painful.

(Honestly I have no other response to your drivel)

Sumanth said...

Rrrrr....,

Thats the sound you create when you have got them both in your mouth and not in your undies.

Sumanth said...

The Horrible Incidents for which Feminists are Responsible

TIMESOFINDIA:
Bollywood Godmother Nirupa Roy, brutally Slandered before her death with a Dowry
Case by her Daughter-in-law.


THEHINDU:
Parents Commit Suicide due to torture after Daughter-in-law files False
Case. 


THREE-year-old
GIRL ended up in jail because of False Dowry Case !!


TIMES OF
INDIA: Battered Husbands


TIMES OF INDIA:
In Bangalore Techies are at Receiving end of Harassment by Wives and in-laws


TIMES OF
INDIA: Check Dowry Law Misuse by Women: High Court


TIMES
OF INDIA: Domestic abuse Bill: Men deserve protection too


INDIAINFO: Dowry
harassment of men! 


EXPRESSINDIA:
Battered husbands seek justice




STATESMAN:
If woman shows a bit patience....


STATESMAN:
Man Commits Suicide not being able to bear false case by his wife


STATESMAN:
When Men are Victimised by Women


STATESMAN:
Wife Kills Husband for not meeting her Dowry Demands


TRIBUEINDIA:
Domestic Violence by Women Against Men in other parts of world


TRIBUNEINDIA: Only one
out of six dowry complaints genuine 


TELEGRAPH:
Man Falsely accused by in-laws of Dowry Death of wife, jailed and separated from
his child


I got my
wife ‘SKODA’ car and she told me PODA (go), and Puts Dowry Case


REDIFF: Hope for
Victimised Husbands


TRIBUNE INDIA:
Dowry Act-scared parents disown sons


HINDUSTAN
TIMES: Raped girl arrested on dowry torture charges


THE HINDU:
Parents Kill themselves being Harassed by Daughter-in-law filing False Dowry
Case


INIDIAN
EXPRESS: Daughter elops, her father puts False Dowry Death Case on Her Husband
for Money. 


EXPRESSINDIA:
False Dowry Cases Are Used to improve Crime against women statistics


EXPRESSINDIA:
Delhi HC wants dowry offences to be bailable


TRIBUNEINDIA:
Coming to rescue of harassed husbands


TIMES OF INDIA:
Murder of a Techie, Fiancee held for Intel staffer's murder in Bangalore


TAIPEI
TIMES: Even CHINESE know about abuse of India's anti-dowry laws


BBC:
Even Chairperson of the National Commission for Women (NCW) acknowledges the
misuse of dowry laws.


IRANDOKHT:
Even IRANIANs know about False Dowry Cases in India.


TELEGRAPH:
Marital Woes of Men in Orissa


TRIBUNEINDIA: Women
mis(using) laws to get even?


IMDIVERSITY:
Some Indian men living in the West have been falsely accused


TELEGRAPH: Do
men also need special laws for protection?


TIMESOFINDIA:
Gee! It’s harassed men’s turn to come crying


JAMAICAOBSERVER:
Even People in JAMAICA Know how Indian Husbands are Harassed


STATESMEN
ORISSA: Do women play a role in dowry deaths? 



One more Man Commits Suicide after False Dowry Case and Torture.


NCMONLINE:
Indian Husbands Fall Victim to Dowry-Immigration Fraud 


MID-DAY: Man ends life over false dowry accusation 

DAILYTIMES:
Even Pakistanis know about False dowry cases in India.


REDIFF: Of harassed
husbands and belligerent brides


NRIINTERNET:
NRI Husbands From U.S. Fall Victim To Dowry-Immigration Fraud In India


TRIBUNEINDIA: In-Laws
of the Son drive Father to Suicide.


TIMESOFINDIA:
False dowry claims: Air hostess in trouble


Times of India:
Parents are forcing Daughters to Divorce their Husbands for big Alimony.


EXPRESS INDIA:
Misuse of IPC behind rise in Crime Against Women.


Times of
India: Sham weddings in Punjab when go wrong become desertion cases.


TRIBUNE INDIA:
Old women bitten by Daughter-in-law.


Haryana Chief Minister
Hooda's son gets anticipatory bailk in 498a case. Is the case genuine ?


TELEGRAPH:
Man Burns himself not being able to bear the torture by wife.


HindustanTimes:
Husband in UP protests wife's atrocities.


Times of India:
Newly Weds File for Divorce in 15 Days


Hindustan
Times: Corrupt Wife Kills Army Colonel.


Tribune India:
Court Declares terror CAW cells Illegal.


Tribune India:
If Men Can be Aggressive, Women Can be Subversive.


APA.ORG: Does Data on
Domestic Violence tell only one part of the story ?


Deccan Herald:
Sub Inspector rescues Battered Husband in Bangalore


Deccan Herald:
Consolation for Gentle Men in Distress.


World Health Organisation
(WHO) Report: In India, Women Abuse Elders (in-laws) by False Dowry Cases.


Tribune India:
Police told to be sensitive as many Familes Commit Suicide in False Dowry Cases.

gmcancer said...

let us put things in perspective .
we are trying to fight false cases filed under section 498A

we are against dowry.
your assumption that by supporting people who have been falsely implicated we are supporting dowry seekers is absolutely false

we people want social harmony

it is important to understand that many women in india and abroad have suffered for many years

some of them have chosen path of retribution rather than resolution

I beleive in equality and do not beleive that there should be separate laws or separate treatment for men and women on basis of gender

The Wizard of Odd said...

Again, I can only ask- Who is this Sumanth and more importantly, did he ever have a mother or was he just hatched...

No, really. As Griff says, Go Annie Go. Applauding hard here. Forwarding posts. Coming back to gaze in awe at the blood guts and gore.

No but seriously- what colour egg was it, you think? Sort of chalky I feel, with a sad blue undertone.

S. said...

@ annie

Way to go..:)

@sumanth
I saw the Save the indian family site and the the say no to feminism page...there is one sentence that confuses me in particular:
A lot of fathers commit suicide or die indirectly in struggling to arrange dowry for their daughters. They do not even come into statistics.

I would like to meet these "feminists" who force their fathers to arrange for a dowry and torture the poor man to death....oh may be i have got it wrong....are you perhaps talking about the "feminist" mother-in-law who is asking for the dowry and hence killing the poor man.

Sumanth said...

Dreamsnpencils,

It seems, you need to be shown a mirror.

Only your party animal PAGE-3 mother gave you birth mammalian way and all others are hatched from eggs.

BTW, does not most mothers(in nature) hatch eggs ? Do n't you know there are about 500 eggs in most women in their life ? Its a pity you call yourself a feminist and you use such language towards eggs.

I again request you all, please do not take panga with techies and our logic. If you are the best in your fields, then we are the best in our fields.

You already know, we are against prominent feminist lawyers, feminist politicians in India. We do not give it a damn when we speak truth (& we just use feminist style of telling truth).

Feminists can not beat us, simply because we are just like them (their opposite mirror images). Can you fight with your mirror image and change it ?

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Mukta said...

Hi Sumanth,

I have a couple of lawyer friends who deal with several cases pertaining to sec.498A. They too tell me that several of the cases that come to him are false. Many women are instigated to file a complaint under this section because it makes the divorce case stronger for the woman.

Do I agree or disagree with you? Well, bogus cases are dangerous. Sure, you need to guard against that. But you need to make the legislation and law-making authorities stronger and more foolproof. Because let's face it - people do behave reprehensibly with women. They just do. And they need to be punished.

And if your contention is that the real victims do not get respite, then you don't change the law, you change the framework in which it works. Do you mean to say that the real victims do not get their say because the bogus victims are in court?

And since we are talking about inadequate legal provisions that can be manipulated, please see sec. 375 of the IPC as well.

My position = No to bogus cases...but yes to sec. 498A.

Swarup said...

Soumnath , the people are doing the terrorist activity in the name of women well fare . As per them , only daughter in law are women , mother , sister , daughter are not a women .
We need to understand such greedy , money minded , dishonest activity by some daughter in law ( not all ) . They dont want to work , they dont have any love or respect to others , they want to enjoy the life , let the money comes from father , brother or husband .
Crime is crime , the punishment should be irrespective of SEX ,Gender ,caste and religion .

We have clean a lot of so called pro-women people , actually they are anti-women . Women are the main culprit to spoil another women .

498A is a blander , and today or tomorrow the same will be changed , but how you will change such greedy ,dirty minded daughter in law ... i think some of them are here also .
regards
swarup
http://pariwariksuraksha.blogspot.com/

Opinionated said...

Hey!
Why don't you delete all comments posted by this joker Sumanth? Anyway the grammar therein is horribly wrong. Very undeserving comments to be seen here! ;-)

Sumanth said...

AIDS AWARENESS GROUP writes:

Reports by Aids Awareness Group
Is Section 376 IPC being abused?

...During the course of free legal aid, we discovered that many persons, who were in judicial custody on a charge for rape, were actually legally married to the girl with mutual consent, but against the wishes of the girl’s parents. There were others who had had consensual sex with a woman after paying her a mutually agreed sum of money. In some cases the woman tried to make extra money by blackmailing them, demanding a large sum of money. When the men refused to pay, the woman filed a complaint of rape.

There were also some cases where the girl went with the boy of her own volition, eloping with him and having consensual sex, When she returned home, her parents filed a complaint with the Police of kidnapping and rape of their daughter (under sections 363 and 376 of the Indian Penal Code), and got the boy arrested and placed in judicial custody on a rape and kidnapping charge... complete report
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Are the DOWRY related LAWS effective?

...that many persons, who were in judicial custody on a charge for harassment related to dowry demands, whereas some of these prisoners, had married the girl without any dowry. Our volunteers who used to visits the Central Jail Tihar came across many prisoners who appeared innocent, but who were charged u/s 498A and 406 (Mental cruelty and harassment for dowry) and put under judicial custody. There were also some cases where the girls resorted to dowry related laws to sort out their matrimonial disputes, or to coerce the husbands into yielding to their demands, whether for money, or to live separately, away from their in laws house or to have a share in a property.

There were also women who complained of dowry related harassment when they wanted their husband to take them back to his home, openly negotiating in court, offering to withdraw the case if he were to agree to take them back. There were cases where the Father-in-law wanted the son-in law to sell his property in his village and to buy land adjacent to his land and live in his house or join in his own business. When the son-in-law refused they forced their daughters to file a complaint with the police for mental cruelty and dowry demands and the poor men found themselves placed in judicial custody in Tihar jail...

Sumanth said...

Mukta,

Your lawyer friends are making a lot of money out of this 498a business when ordinary divorce will do. They are the biggest culprits.

So, you support imprisonment of sisters, mothers and even 3 year old girl child in Tihar jail under section 498a.

Do not be an idealist. Indian Legal and Law enforcement System is worse than Taliban's Sharia Law.

Can not you remember that Indian Law Enforcement System Raped a 17 year old girl in Mumbai recently ?

It is not just bloody 498a, all laws are misused in India. We are not saying this. Times of India says this.

Sumanth said...

We are winning:

Supreme Court calls the unscrupulous women "assassins":

Says:

Describing such misuse of law as “legal terrorism”, the court said no one could be allowed to unleash frivolous proceedings on this count as the provisions of Section 498A “is intended to be used as shield (a woman against harassment) not as an assassin’s weapon.”

The judgement also says:

“In such cases acquittal of the accused does not wipe out the ignominy suffered during and prior to trial. Sometimes adverse media coverage adds to the misery”. Merely because the provision was declared constitutional and intra vires, it did not give licence to unscrupulous persons to wreak personal vendetta or unleash harassment, the judges said.

bharati said...

Yes dear we are winning becuase we have truth on our side . Currently the feminists have taken a very harsh stand of so what if "men and elders suffer" Well it will not happen long before account of the death of these decent and innocent men and elders are asked for.

Swarup said...

"Is there any Laxman to support Sita or only Ravan are there to support Surpanakhas??"

Few days back , I receive a coment in my blog "498A: Made for Sita but Surpanakhas are Encashing!!!! " , and reproduce the same here for all of your reference.

One question come to my mind :-

"Is there any Laxman to Support Sita or only Ravan are there to support Surpanakhas??"

Recently Supreme Court Judgement Says that the Way 498A ( anti dowry law ) had been misused and innocent people ( Age old parents , Pregent sister , Small Childern along with husband ) had been harrased to earn Money by Black Mailling , this should be term as " Legal Terrorism ".

Let think you want to be A Ravan or A Laxman ??

When this Terrorist Activity will stop in the name of Women Well Fare ??

As per them the women means only Daughter -in -LAW , our Mother ,Sister are not a women !!! They deserve to go to jail .

Save Indian Family - Save " Institution of Marriage " and Immediately Stop this terrorist activity .

Jinesh Zaveri said...

498A: Made for Sita but Surpanakhas are encashing!!

The question is does a real Sita use 498A; and how will we stop surpanakha misusing it?

And is the purpose of such law really served in reality ?
Let us take 4 broad combinations to a Marriage and applications of 498A.
In today’s modern world if :-

1. The boy is like Ram and the girl is like Sita
2. The boy is like Rakshasha and the Girl is likeSurpanakha
3. The boy is like Rakshasha and the Girl is like Sita
4. The boy is like Ram and the girl is like Surpanakha

Case 1:
The boy is like Ram and the girl is like Sita:The questions of 498A does not arise .

Case 2:
The boy is like Rakshasha and the Girl is like Surpanakha:They fight it out among themselves if things are wrong or it is ideal match on the other extreme side.

Case 3:
The boy is like Rakshasha and the Girl is likeSita:Well ideally this is the case where 498A is fairly applicable and the guy is deserving of it. But, Sita by virtue of her characteristic will NOT AND DOES NOT implicate 498A on the Husband and her family. (Like of the cases seen in the society around us, the wife is firm not to cause harm to anyone, thus 498A is not utilized for the reason it should be) Thus the purpose of thevery foundation of the law for whom it is dedicated is not fulfilled.

Case 4:
The boy is like Ram and the girl is like Surpanakha:

Well well well this is what is happening everywhere,where 498A benefits the Surpanakhas of our society and Rams and his family are reduced to puppets. 498A is misused to the fullest of its capacity and the real motive behind the law it is lost to protect the “ABLANARI”.

Its is highly misused by the nuisance value creators of the society, committing a mockery of the judicial system, by misleading and fooling the entire society including the very law.This needs to be stopped, as the real purpose is not met and the crooks are at work, making money and going scott free where as Rams and his family members are in jail.

“When the Statistics reveal that a drastic majority of the cases are framed falsely for earn money , why should we allow such laws that encourage injustice and dishonest way to earn money?”

We need a changein the current scenario.

Inqulab Zindabad.

Aishwarya said...

annie- for your further edification:

http://bluelullaby.blogspot.com/2005/07/craptheyre-onto-us.html

which led to

http://roswitha.blogspot.com/2005/07/we-already-have-problems-with.html

Jinesh Zaveri said...

also read
http://indianhusbands.blogspot.com/2005/09/but-how-hindu-was-that-marriage.html

CruiserDeep said...

u all have so much time to argue about what u can't even comprehend and which u don't have the slightest intention to understand. Kudos. Like they say in Malayalam "the baby who doesn't understand what is said, will understand when it experiences"

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